[BNM] [_] Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones

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I'm in


From: Joe Aliferis 
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:33 PM
To: Brighton New Media 
Subject: Re: [BNM] [_] Passports will be needed to buy mobile phones


Count me in

Joe

> This stuff is really starting to upset me
>
> I propose everyone who gives a toss meeting up and forming some form
> of group to bring this stasi style nonsense to an end.
>
> Please forward this to anyone who you think would be interested. I
> think we (IT professionals) are the only people that will be able to
> do something about this. Sorry for the cross posting.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Adam <adam.bcn at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4969312.ece
>>
>> Outrageous, of course. "1984" ... "Orwell" ... "surveilance state" ...
>> "Big Brother" ... etc. Quite silly, because criminals will just use
>> black market or stolen phones. Simiarly, every mail in UK to be
>> monitored:
>>
>> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/15/2222209&from=rss
>>
>> It's not really as malicous as the people with tin-foil hats make out
>> - the best commentry I've heard is from "Biohacker" in
>> news.ycombinator.com
>>
>>     
>>> The saddest thing here is that the primary driver for this
>>> isn't true malevolence. There's not an underground of
>>> fascists working to make fascism happen.
>>> This is just bureaucrats trying to cover their asses.
>>> Collecting more data is something that you can measure
>>> and point to.
>>> Look we collected all of this!
>>> Never mind the fact that the real difficulty is in
>>> distinguishing the noise from the signal.
>>> And the more data you collect the harder that gets.
>>> Never mind the fact the CIA was watching the 9/11
>>> guys cross from Canada into the US, and called the FBI
>>> and told them.
>>> Never mind that there were FBI agents who were trying
>>> to get someone's attention because they knew there
>>> was something fishy with all those guys taking flight lessons.
>>> Never mind that clearly the problem was not a lack
>>> of data collection.
>>> Never mind all that because doing the smart thing is
>>> hard and proving you're doing something by being
>>> smart is impossible.
>>> But data collection is easy and it's easy to prove
>>> you're doing all you can.
>>>       
>> -- http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=334452
>>
>> If you want, there's a petition against this here:
>>
>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/no-to-1984/
>>
>> ~Adam
>>
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>> underscore_ list info/archive -> http://www.under-score.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/underscore
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