[BNM] PHP Frameworks

[Leo Brown]

Indeed. Also my understanding is that most of them just embody the MVC
design pattern with a few helpers. There's something to be said for adopting
your own implementation of MVC with some conventions as you'll waste
valuable development time pissing around reading their source. 

I cant say how much we've benefited from the whole scaffolding and MVC
simplification, but I do know we've wasted literally weeks just trying to
get convention usage correct- often to find that there's a "hole" in the
framework where expected functionality isn't provided.

I've seen grown men pull their own heads off before implementing CakePHP's
"has and belongs to many" successfully.


-----Original Message-----
From: bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org
[mailto:bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org] On Behalf Of Dominic Stockdale
Sent: 01 February 2008 14:22
To: Brighton New Media
Subject: Re: [BNM] PHP Frameworks

I looked at loads of them and settled on CodeIgniter
http://codeigniter.com/.
While all the ones like phpcake and symphony are really wonderful in their
ways they do force you into their way of doing things. CodeIgniter is a lot
lighter and it doesn't get in your way the learning curve is also pretty
quick and the documentation is great (it actually exists as well which is a
good start).

On Feb 1, 2008 2:12 PM, Leo Brown <leo.brown at acumensystems.net> wrote:

> Can only speak for Cake. It's brilliant, except for the lack of __any
> semblance of reasonable documentation whatsoever__. From time to time, you
> will literally have to track down the authors and demand an explanation of
> the workings. The worst offender being many-to-many relationships.
>
> Once you understand it, it all makes sense - it's just the difficult
> paradigm shift from 'real' programming to the 'automagic' way of doing
> things... :|
>
> Can anyone compare CakePHP HABTM with symfony ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org
> [mailto:bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org] On Behalf Of Julian Blundell
> Sent: 01 February 2008 14:07
> To: BNM
> Subject: [BNM] PHP Frameworks
>
> Hi
>
> Been thinking of using a PHP framework for some time. The choices seem to
> be:-
>
> phpCake
> Symphony
> Zend
>
> Anybody got any opinions about strengths, weaknesses, other options etc.
>
> Jules
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