[BNM] 1, 2, 3, 4, I declare a language war ! (was Hot news: Microsoft buys OScommerce!)

[Jamie Campbell]

Just a Delphi thought. Both .Net and Delphi had Anders Hejlsberg as chief
architect.
I still use Delphi from time to time for little dialog based utilities,
since you can write a stand alone Win32 app very quickly and know it'll
run on most Windows boxes as well as Wine. The VCL framework is the best
of it's generation, so good I'll put up with Pascal to use it.
The Delphi guy is guilty of failing to move on, not necessarily choosing a
bad language/framework once upon a time.
Jamie

> Mark Ng wrote:
>> On 06/07/07, Wayne Douglas <wayne at codingvista.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The other thing I like about ASP.NET is the fact that you would have
>>> to go out of your way to write crap - or be seriously lazy. The fact
>>> that, unless you wanted to do some rewriting of the wheel, you are
>>> pretty much forced to use an MVC approach to writing code, which
>>> forces nice, modular, loosely coupled, consistent code.
>>>
>>
>> This is equally the case using PHP and a good framework.  Symfony is a
>> good place to start.
>>
>>
>>> PHP - what I've seen of it, looks like ASP classic, tags with code in
>>> the html etc.
>>>
>>
>> That's as much the case as the person who writes code in it.
>>
>>
>>> Just my (admittedly biased) view.
>>>
>>
>> I'm glad that you see it as biased - I think you're attacking a
>> technology you have limited experience with (not that PHP doesn't its
>> flaws - they're just different from the ones you describe).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
> Hang on - not attacking - defending!!
>
> But yeah, it annoys me when someone with no knowledge of a subject (or
> at least one sided) starts laying down their opinion as if it were
> gospel. I understand I have holes in my knowledge which is why I think
> threads like this are good. If there were enough hours in the day I'd
> be  learning every language you could throw at me - as there's not, I
> have  to choose the ones I learn wisely. For me developer efficiency is
> as  important as the efficiency of the software itself. You can throw
> more  hardware at code - I can't throw more developers at my projects.
> Not  that the product suffers, I just need to be able to turn tricks
> fast.  The tricks need to be stable, do what they should and be future
> proofed.  I like coding - I'm a perfectionist with code - the code I
> write is  re-factored to a  good level and is graceful.
>
> I read something the other day about a guy who'd lost out because he
> based his career around Borland. That to me was not a wise move - on
> multiple levels (Delphi ffs). And though I feel really bad for the guy,
>  to me it was obvious that that was a walking time bomb.
>
> :)
>
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