[BNM] 1, 2, 3, 4, I declare a language war ! (was Hot news: Microsoft buys OScommerce!)

[andrew holway]

Its horses four courses! those loyal to the Microsoft platform will go
towards .NET whereas your unix boys will go more towards
Linux/Apache/PHP.

Both have their pros and cons but LAMP is still a framework in its
self with php an element of that framework.

People talk about the wonderful .net framework but linux had been
employing a similar philosophy for a long time.

Its because of its huge adaptability that makes it so powerful, and in
the hands of the unskilled, potentially unsecure. But at least you
have full control of that unsecurity. At least you can optimise every
aspect of your platform. At least its free.

Luckily there is a huge userbase of people willing to give you a leg
up. I think 70% of the web is running LAMP

Keep your Microsoft for American Express :-)

don't think outside the box.

Dearly Ranted

andrew
moonet.co.uk







On 06/07/07, Wayne Douglas <wayne at codingvista.com> wrote:
> Mark Ng wrote:
> > The solid majority of available open-source code written in PHP is
> > absolute dog crap.  As for security flaws, most (most, not all)
> > security flaws in PHP applications reflect the general quality of code
> > written in PHP, rather than PHP itself (there have been one or two
> > security flaws in PHP itself over the years, but not inordinately
> > large numbers).
> >
> > Also, .NET and PHP aren't equal comparisons - one is a framework,
> > another is a language.
> >
> > Eclipse is horrid.  Lots of great features, but a horrid UI and I've
> > ranted about instability of various JVM's on many other occasions.
> >
> > Textmate is my favourite means of writing PHP code.  the presence of
> > textmate is the one thing that stopped me returning my macbook and
> > buying a dell instead about 3 months ago when I had all sorts of
> > problems with it.
> > [...]
> The other thing I like about ASP.NET is the fact that you would have to
> go out of your way to write crap - or be seriously lazy. The fact that,
> unless you wanted to do some rewriting of the wheel, you are pretty much
> forced to use an MVC approach to writing code, which forces nice,
> modular, loosely coupled, consistent code.
>
> .NET is now a mature framework, coupled with C# (and all the funky
> language enhancements in .NET 3.5) you have a stable, productive, high
> performance set of tools. I'm not saying it's as good as say Java on
> some huge mainframe it probably never will be.
>
> Extending ASP.NET using providers etc means everyone talks the same
> language, in the same style and the learning curve is fast but you don't
> lose the expressiveness as the lower level parts of the framework are
> there, just not at the level you'd enter it in.
>
> As with any OS project, PHP lacks this structure - which is
> understandable as it's been contributed to by so many developers - like
> the help docs in Linux - a rabbit hole I've found myself in many a time.
>
> PHP - what I've seen of it, looks like ASP classic, tags with code in
> the html etc.
>
> I don't like the monopolization as much as anyone - which is why I'm
> taking up MONO. But even then - I'm holding back as I know that has
> serious flaws. Maybe get back into Java - as far as I know you can
> implement MVC and DI through Spring?
>
> Just my (admittedly biased) view.
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