[BNM] List etiquette

[Jason Bailey]

Note: Is this working, threadwise?

Hi Josh,

I've apologised for my mistake (twice, at least, now) and asked for 
suggestions (note the Re:). I don't like being called lazy and someone 
implying I'm rude. I find that rude and annoying.  I've actually bothered 
to go off and check the list etiquette; have you?

Now I know there is a problem I'm working on it. To repeat, I generally 
read the BNM group via google groups and so don't actually receive emails 
in my inbox or other folder set for BNM. So I (stupidly and also didn't 
think I needed RE:) assumed that sticking the subject in to a new email was 
enough (it looks OK on google groups and, I think, need to check again, 
looks OK in the digest). My email client is fine and would handle replies 
if I received them in the first place. My email client also replies only 
with the text I highlight so I get trimming with it too.

Josh Said:
> basically, respect the list, there is little excuse for being lazy. i
> respect people who communicate well and who respect the communities by
> not annoying them.


For list rules See:
<http://lists.wessexnetworks.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bnmlist>
I've probably broken rule number 2 (subject) and have apologised for this.

You seem to be consistently falling foul of rule number 4 (really annoying 
for me but I've kept quiet until now) and rule number 6 (just rude). How 
about you apologise for those and try to sort them out? And when you do 
trim email text try to keep it in context as it makes me look bad (really 
annoying; especially as it's on google groups) when you don't quote it 
properly. I suspect you'll say, eh?

So I said:
"That means I've got to subscribe via google groups which I
thought was a no no for some reason."

whereas you quoted
>That means I've got to subscribe via google groups

This clearly alters the statement I made and as such make me look bad and 
is really annoying and just lazy. If you're just hitting reply lazily 
without "trimming" the quotes (properly) then don't you think other people 
may find your replies hard to read and annoying. Especially when you're top 
posting after I've bottom posted and so the whole message is mixed up. 
Annoying cos it's difficult to work out who said what and which bit you're 
moaning about.

It's fine to have opinions but I'm a real person and when some splatters 
opinions with mild insults then how do you expect me to listen, really? 
It's nothing to do with New Media just good social skills. Is email still 
new media?

I've never met you and as such find you replying to me and calling me rude 
and lazy tantamount to flaming [rule 6]. (and a bit hypocritical- just 
annoying really; especially when you get on your high horse and go on about 
respecting people who communicate well). What else am I expected to do 
except get annoyed. It's not really constructive is it or a good form of 
communication? I'm probably a bit old skool as I generally try not to 
insult people until I've met them. If perhaps after we've met and are best 
friends then I won't take it too unkindly when you're insulting me.

Thanks to the others who have read my replies and offered constructive 
suggestions (note the RE: oh gawd is it case sensitive???)

Josh, let's please, please, please leave it at that; unless you've got a 
good (hopefully polite) answer for me to -replying via google groups. 
Aactually read my previous replies before replying yourself and you'll see 
it's nothing to do with my mail client. I may probably set up a BNM box and 
an Exim or SIEVE rule (I don't use outlook all the time) to stick stuff 
into that but I still prefer to read BNM via RSS and google groups. It's a 
preference you see.

I'm going to try and not to reply to further petty insults but am happy to 
receive helpful advice.

Thanks
Jason
p.s. sticking "innit" or a smiley face at the end of the email doesn't 
suddenly make it all lovely. I don't suddenly smile and think "ahhh it's 
all a pleasant chat." I'm a sensitive soul.

p.p.s Thanks Mat (Walker) I tried replying last night through google groups 
and realised it was not possible; worth a try.

p.p.p.s And I feel guilty for sending this to BNM but I'm slightly annoyed 
(sorry and feel free to let this thread die).