[BNM] linux/apache/PHP/MySQL recommendations server setup

[David Stone]

 > Screw GUIs, there is no place for them.

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Antony Jones wrote:
>>sorry, I knida omitted that this is for me to do internal deveopment
>>on, not for external access, so i really want a nice GUI on it, not
>>command line stuff too muchy, easy peasey "standard" and "default" all
>>over it, and most importantly, set up in literally a few minutes/hour
>>or so.
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> 
> Well, just do a default install of Ubuntu. That will take you all of 10 minutes. But you must realise that servers are not about GUIs and clicky clicky. There is absolutely nothing easier than editing a simple text file to configure your server, then running the apache restart command. No GUI can beat that, not one.
> 
> Take IIS' GUI for example. It reminds me of playing catch me if you can in a swimming pool full of treacle. (Sorry analogy police).
> 
> Screw GUIs, there is no place for them.
> 
> Antony Jones
> Developer
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> Gamesys Limited
> e: antonyj at gamesys.co.uk
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Simon Early [mailto:simon.early at gmail.com]
>>Sent: 28 February 2006 20:52
>>To: Brighton New Media
>>Subject: Re: [BNM] linux/apache/PHP/MySQL recommendations server setup
>>
>>sorry, I knida omitted that this is for me to do internal deveopment
>>on, not for external access, so i really want a nice GUI on it, not
>>command line stuff too muchy, easy peasey "standard" and "default" all
>>over it, and most importantly, set up in literally a few minutes/hour
>>or so.
>>
>>I really do want basic basic stuff so I can mirror the online system,
>>then take memory stick to Pepe on my neighbours donkey Burro (name of
>>the donkey). Seeing as I got about 900Mb to upload eventually and Pepe
>>lives a mile away, thats about 20 mins tops - by my reckoning this
>>would make Burro somewhere along the lines of a T1 in terms of
>>bandwidth isnt it? - 900 Mb in 20 Mins? 2.4Gb/hr
>>
>>anyone got a donkey that can beat that?
>>thats a pretty goddamn high bandwidth donkey I reckon.
>>
>>Plus I get a bag of oranges from my neighbour thrown in usually.
>>there you go. 2.4Gb/hr bandwidth, bag of oranges, zero emissions
>>(kinda) and eco friendly. Zero cost/pollution transport.
>>s/.
>>
>>On 2/28/06, Antony Jones <antonyj at gamesys.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>>But, take a server. If there was no root and everyone was told to
>>
>>'sudo
>>
>>>>>bash' everytime a potentially dangerous changes was to be made I'd
>>
>>be
>>
>>>>>*very concerned* - same user details to access mail, probably
>>
>>insecure
>>
>>>>>so anyone monitoring the network traffic suddenly has access to your
>>>>>account, and in turn root access. It's like running a box where
>>
>>every
>>
>>>>>user is root because lets be honest, who's kept their sudoers file
>>>>>current? I certainly don't on my Ubuntu laptop.
>>>
>>>On a server, there is no way that I (as an administrator) would leave
>>
>>sudo open to sudo bash, sudo passwd etc.
>>
>>>On a multi-user machine for home use however, I definitely would. What I
>>
>>would not do is enable root, and that is what I was trying to advise the
>>original poster not to do.
>>
>>>Antony Jones
>>>Developer
>>>
>>>Gamesys Limited
>>>e: antonyj at gamesys.co.uk
>>>t: 0207 287 1571
>>>a: 3rd Floor, 54-62 Regent Street, LONDON, W1B 5RE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Dominic Mitchell [mailto:dom at happygiraffe.net]
>>>>Sent: 28 February 2006 14:35
>>>>To: Brighton New Media
>>>>Subject: Re: [BNM] linux/apache/PHP/MySQL recommendations server setup
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 12:58:53PM +0000, David Stone wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you really do need a root shell, then 'sudo bash' will give
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>> > just that. Forget setting root passwords, it'll only make your
>>>>> > computing life a little more risky.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd say this is subject to the machines purpose:
>>>>>
>>>>>On a multi-user desktop where users need/want to install (not just
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>>their user account), and is not likely to have daemons for example
>>
>>SSH
>>
>>>>>open, fine, all well and good.
>>>>>
>>>>>But, take a server. If there was no root and everyone was told to
>>
>>'sudo
>>
>>>>>bash' everytime a potentially dangerous changes was to be made I'd
>>
>>be
>>
>>>>>*very concerned* - same user details to access mail, probably
>>
>>insecure
>>
>>>>>so anyone monitoring the network traffic suddenly has access to your
>>>>>account, and in turn root access. It's like running a box where
>>
>>every
>>
>>>>>user is root because lets be honest, who's kept their sudoers file
>>>>>current? I certainly don't on my Ubuntu laptop.
>>>>
>>>>The nice thing about sudo is that it does log what it does though.  Of
>>>>course if you say "sudo bash" the whole time, then it's completely
>>>>worthless.  But if you say things like "sudo vi /etc/hosts" then you
>>
>>get
>>
>>>>a quite nice audit trail of what people are doing.  It's not perfect,
>>>>but it's a useful guide when somebody has messed up.
>>>>
>>>>-Dom
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